OneAll
2:37 Thu Nov 2
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rice and bowen were literally paired up in England training and was having a right laugh , so people are making something out of nothing
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Bexley Ironworks
2:25 Thu Nov 2
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More often than not, if you have less possession you will create less chances, which means that you need to be extra clinical with the opportunities that you do get.
I think most of us would be willing to concede possession if we saw the pressing game with attacking intent that we got in the 2nd half last night. What we've largely been served is an ultra conservative approach to games, where we invite pressure and sit off. We end up conceding more possession because we don't press.
If we carry on as we did in the second half last night I think we'll see a natural improvement to those underlying stats.
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easthammer
2:14 Thu Nov 2
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As some have said the first half wasn't the best, particularly our final pass, but that being said we were much livelier than of late and pressed much higher.
As for the stats, you can always look at them from the point of view that Arsenal despite 72% possession provided little threat and much of them having the ball they were unable to use it effectively because we were harrying to greater effect. Our problem was we gave it back to them too quickly through poor passing.
I thought both Paquetta and Kudus were much more circumspect at where on the field they took chances, maybe the manager got in their ear after the Everton game. The Moyes detractors will of course find this a ridiculous suggestion. But I'll give him some credit as his tactics seemed spot-on for this game.
Overall it was a good evening with a great atmosphere and I loved the "You should have joined a big club" chant aimed at Rice whom I neither clapped or booed.
MOM between Kudus and Emerson
and the only stat that mattered 3-1
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BRANDED
2:10 Thu Nov 2
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I wonder if the thing between Bowen and Rice might have come from England duty?
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Bexley Ironworks
2:02 Thu Nov 2
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I never said or suggested anything of the sort Ron. Was just surprised to see what seemed to be hostility between them (More Bowen than Rice I might add). Didn't see how Bowen cut his eye up. Maybe it was that?
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BRANDED
2:00 Thu Nov 2
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One thing that was very noticeable to me in my position behind one of the goals was that on Sunday we looked capable of holding the ball but Everton looked big, strong and energetic. Last night it completely reversed. We looked big and energetic last night and Arsenal look slight but able to pass the ball like we were on Sunday.
What this told me was that merely possession is irrelevant. You need to have strength, energy and to open up the defence.
All that said, their goal did show you can pass around a tired defence.
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Manuel
1:48 Thu Nov 2
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All this talk about possession stats on here of late is a bit dull. I honestly never even use to look out for it until recently after it become a big topic on here. It's what you do with it (possession) that counts.
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fraser
1:33 Thu Nov 2
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Yorkammer
A team who can play football will definitely win more with 64 than 28.
Thank fuck Moyes will be gone soon
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Yorkammer
1:28 Thu Nov 2
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But we only had 28% possession. The experts on this site will tell you we did much better against Everton as we had 64% possession.
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Ron Eff
1:15 Thu Nov 2
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The lack of interaction between Rice and Bowen versus the others I suspect is because they see each other regularly, and only a couple of weeks ago with England. They seem to be good mates. Glad Rice didn’t get the reception he would have liked from the fans, but hoping/thinking Bowen has fallen out with him because he left is a bit silly.
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RoyalDocksGK
1:12 Thu Nov 2
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Brilliant night, spoiled by that cup draw. Absolute cuntish we get dealt with these away draws every fucking year. I'm slowly coming to terms with it being an Asian sponsored cup, they only want the big teams in the final to sell the game to Asia but fuck me at least try and make it less obvious.
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isolated hammer
1:04 Thu Nov 2
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That was just a great night for us. That was so typical West Ham. Night's like that make you realise why we are West Ham fans.
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Rossal
12:45 Thu Nov 2
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Last night has to spell the end for Antonio, Bowen's workrate and pressing from the front allowing to pressure them into mistakes or giving the ball back was superb.
Stark contrast to Antonio walking around letting them have all the time in the world to move the ball around.
We must have won the ball in their half more last night than the previous 3 defeats combined.
That's what we want to see, more intensity off the ball, winning the ball higher up the pitch allowing us to attack easier.
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twoleftfeet
12:36 Thu Nov 2
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It will be interesting to see what he does against Brentford, i imagine that Areola would be back but I wouldn’t break up the back 4 from last night.
JWP for Alvarez
Antonio for Paqueta
Give Benrhama the playmaker role and put Bowen down the middle, Kudus right and Antonio left.
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Bexley Ironworks
12:28 Thu Nov 2
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As has been mentioned, our pressing game in the 2nd half was much better and more akin to how we played during lockdown. If we have to stick with Moyes then it's that energy that we all want to see, and if we see that Moyes won't get such a rough ride.
I just have little confidence in him, given his perseverance with a system / player that has been ineffectual for the most part, for well over a year.
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dealcanvey
12:15 Thu Nov 2
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Thought we looked alot busier without the ball up top. Putting pressure on the oppositions defence helped alleviate the constant pressure our defence has to soak up.
Wonder if Moyes will try Bowen and Kudus going forward. It allows him to keep Soucek in the side.
Mavranapos also looked solid again. Due a start in the League.
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Tomshardware
11:49 Thu Nov 2
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Kudus and Bowen will cause untold problems against any defence, Paqueta is better slightly deeper in a free role as he has the vision and ability to create and pick passes through to them, you don't want him stuck out wide as you lose so influence from him.
Antonio is still an asset, people are quick to forget his performances against Brighton and Chelsea earlier in the season, yes he shouldn't be playing week in week out but he is still a good player to have, Ings doesn't seem to fit and I'd expect him to go in January, also seem Moyes doesn't fancy Cornet.
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chim chim cha boo
11:43 Thu Nov 2
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'Onsideman,
It's a game of opinions though isn't it? And all the better for it Obviously we the fans were nervous that we'd get tonked all through the first half and as we were on a shit run didn't really want to see us further humiliated. I thought 'wrong game, wrong time' expecting us to get smashed but loved the night out unexpectedly.
Talking of opinions, here's one from a random Arsenal forum:
Over 70% possession
Nearly triple the amount of shots west ham had
Anyone who didn't watch this game and just looked at stats would think we were Unlucky
Stats are funny cos anyone who did watch it would see we were outplayed'
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Bexley Ironworks
11:37 Thu Nov 2
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Yes I did Two. We were fucking shit in the first half. 2nd half was better. We won at home with 28% possession, 5 shots to their 14. Did you watch it?
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bell
11:31 Thu Nov 2
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Some really good individual performances, minus Benrhama who is just a complete waste of a shirt.
Lucky to not concede in the first half, where they won every header at every corner.
Not really sure what happened to Bowens eye, but he was supurb, as was Coufal and Emerson.
Paqettas passing was woeful at times.
Still, good night and a much better atmosphere than Everton.
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twoleftfeet
11:30 Thu Nov 2
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Did you actually watch the game bexley?
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